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The Huawei-DeepSeek Symbiosis

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This explains the cooperative relationship between Huawei and DeepSeek: Huawei supplies Ascend hardware and a native software stack while DeepSeek provides workloads, models and kernel engineering that make that hardware usable at scale. The release of Ascend support into DeepSeek repositories (TileLang, DeepGEMM, DeepEP, TileKernels, FlashMLA, DeepSelect) embodies that trade, and the authors argue DeepSeek will primarily run on Huawei’s stack by 2027-2028 as China builds a domestic ecosystem. The piece traces how Huawei’s existing Ascend ecosystem and DeepSeek’s engineering complement each other, with mutual adaptations such as FlashMLA’s reorganized KV layout to reduce memory transfer engine (MTE) requests.

Technical findings center on an Ascend 950PR_9579 (28 cube cores, 128 GiB HBM) microbenchmark suite and software analysis. Huawei’s matmul kernels hit up to 99.7% of theoretical ceilings on BF16 GEMMs, while Ascend’s median achieved/attainable fraction on compute-bound shapes is 41.5% versus H100’s 46.8%; absolute throughput places 950PR between A100 and MI300X. Ascend shows strong small-message HBM utilization and an MXU design with L0A/L0B/L0C tiling that boosts reuse; a copy-method switch introduces a mid-curve bandwidth dip. Ascend variants are binned across compute and HBM due to yield. On-chip Linx816 AICPU cores handle short CPU-like tasks and indexing; TileLang’s Ascend backend and AutoSchedule yield up to 40% execution reductions on small sizes, while full CANN/HDK support remains in flight.

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